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just like how christians forced thier beliefs with marriage on gays

You got it backwards. Gays are trying to force society to change the definition of marriage. Society voted no.

This actually is an attack on Christianity. If all gays wanted was equal civil rights and benefits in their partnerships, they would seek to ensure civil unions, the state-recognized partnership, met their wishes.

But the leftists and gays, like you Zero, are more interested in attacking Christianity. That is a key element of the leftist agenda - drive Christianity out of society.

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just like how christians forced thier beliefs with marriage on gays

You got it backwards. Gays are trying to force society to change the definition of marriage. Society voted no.

This actually is an attack on Christianity. If all gays wanted was equal civil rights and benefits in their partnerships, they would seek to ensure civil unions, the state-recognized partnership, met their wishes.

But the leftists and gays, like you Zero, are more interested in attacking Christianity. That is a key element of the leftist agenda - drive Christianity out of society.

Speak2Truth has it right on. Zero needs to be honest with everyone. Zero, the leftists, and the homosexual mafia are attacking Christianity.

Hey Zero, think of it this way. Christianity is the only "buffer" between gays and muslim extremists. Do you think you would still have your head if the muslims dominated our Country? Why aren't you and your friends protesting in the middle east? Think about it.

I voted. We voted. The court agreed. End of story.

Jim Crow, look to your laurels.

Bigotry today. Bigotry tomorrow. Bigotry forever.

On the other hand, Galileo supported Copernican heliocentrism (the Earth orbited the Sun), and Christianity survived.

Slavery was supported by some churches.
The churches survived.

Today, the even the Vatican supports Darwinism, so let's not tar all Christians as bigots, or think that gay marriage will wreck churches.

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just like how christians forced thier beliefs with marriage on gays

You got it backwards. Gays are trying to force society to change the definition of marriage. Society voted no.

This actually is an attack on Christianity. If all gays wanted was equal civil rights and benefits in their partnerships, they would seek to ensure civil unions, the state-recognized partnership, met their wishes.

But the leftists and gays, like you Zero, are more interested in attacking Christianity. That is a key element of the leftist agenda - drive Christianity out of society.

though i'm not part of any organized religion, i'm a theologist, i beleive that every religion has insights to offer,i just use christianity as an example when other people bash religions such as islam, i would do the same if a muslim was speaking about how all christians were evil.

those are big predictions you have about the leftist agenda, who are you Nostredamus? Gay marriage is legal in i beleive 4 states soon to be 5,now tell me is the worldfalling apart as we know it,nothing different is happening in america.Its like the theories some conservatives said about how Obama is a Muslim ( not that it matters )

let me guess you just listen to the extremists on the left thats when you get these ideas, and make general statements about democrats.

i'm not as left as you would think i am

1. I don't support abortion

2. I hate Nancy pelosi

3. I hate affirmative action

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Originally posted by Speak2Truth:

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just like how christians forced thier beliefs with marriage on gays

You got it backwards. Gays are trying to force society to change the definition of marriage. Society voted no.

This actually is an attack on Christianity. If all gays wanted was equal civil rights and benefits in their partnerships, they would seek to ensure civil unions, the state-recognized partnership, met their wishes.

But the leftists and gays, like you Zero, are more interested in attacking Christianity. That is a key element of the leftist agenda - drive Christianity out of society.

Speak2Truth has it right on. Zero needs to be honest with everyone. Zero, the leftists, and the homosexual mafia are attacking Christianity.

Hey Zero, think of it this way. Christianity is the only "buffer" between gays and muslim extremists. Do you think you would still have your head if the muslims dominated our Country? Why aren't you and your friends protesting in the middle east? Think about it.

because you idiot i would die , it would be like you protesting the Nazis during WW2 in Germany.

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Speak2Truth has it right on. Zero needs to be honest with everyone. Zero, the leftists, and the homosexual mafia are attacking Christianity.

what does Christianity have to do with keeping osama's cronies from chopping off my head, it's the government that does that job, not a religious group.

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Gay marriage is legal in i beleive 4 states soon to be 5,now tell me is the worldfalling apart as we know it,nothing different is happening in america.

Wrong. The First Amendment has been subverted. It is no longer "legal" to speak of one's beliefs regarding homosexuality if one is against it - thanks to the escalating attacks on Christianity.

Socialists are seizing control of America and doing here what they have done in many other nations. You claim nothing different is happening. Proof that you are not paying attention.

Once upon a time, Christian prayer and morality guided our schools, our courts and our Congress. Americans were taught to respect the Rights of others including the Right to freedom of religious expression.

Something different is definitely happening.

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Wrong. The First Amendment has been subverted. It is no longer "legal" to speak of one's beliefs regarding homosexuality if one is against it - thanks to the escalating attacks on Christianity.

Socialists are seizing control of America and doing here what they have done in many other nations. You claim nothing different is happening. Proof that you are not paying attention.

Once upon a time, Christian prayer and morality guided our schools, our courts and our Congress. Americans were taught to respect the Rights of others including the Right to freedom of religious expression.

Something different is definitely happening.

Live Free

the banning of prayer in schools happened before gay marriage was ever legalized so that argument is lost.

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Socialists are seizing control of America and doing here what they have done in many other nations. You claim nothing different is happening. Proof that you are not paying attention.

most nations don't have same sex marriage.

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Wrong. The First Amendment has been subverted. It is no longer "legal" to speak of one's beliefs regarding homosexuality if one is against it - thanks to the escalating attacks on Christianity.

okay mr. america (sarcasm), what would you say if you saw people burning american flags,and shouting death to America in downtown SanFrancisco,would you be so tolerant of peoples freedome of expression then ,or would you be wanting them arrested?

right now you are speaking out against gay marriage,and you're not being arrested.

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Something different is definitely happening.

what's different in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, and Maine.Be specific please,if their was a time to prove to me the fallacies,and evil of gay marriage now is the time.

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the banning of prayer in schools happened before gay marriage was ever legalized so that argument is lost.

Actually, that is a demonstration of the PROGRESSIVE subversion of our nation by Leftists. The argument is proven.

The left's use of the Gays to further attack Christianity, to create legal punishments against Christians for speaking their beliefs about homosexuality, is a continuation of the progressive attack. Change, change, change...

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most nations don't have same sex marriage.

Socialist nations institute suppression of Christianity. In this nation, the gays are only one tool being used by the Left. They are attacking from many different angles, even attacking the Boy Scouts, driving prayer out of our schools and driving the Ten Commandments out of the halls of government (as Judge Roy Moore revealed).

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what would you say if you saw people burning american flags,and shouting death to America in downtown SanFrancisco,would you be so tolerant of peoples freedome of expression then ,or would you be wanting them arrested?

So, if they told us in public that they are our nation's enemies, what is the correct response? In our nation, speech is not punishable. However, the CONTENT of their speech reveals who they are - so they certainly become targets for surveillance, as self-proclaimed enemies of this nation, to see whether they engage in actions that may actually be harmful. What I want is for the FBI to do its job - monitor the nation's enemies.

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right now you are speaking out against gay marriage,and you're not being arrested.

How about you and I go stand outside a school and hold signs saying, "B*tt-poking is a sin". Do you think our Right to Free Speech will be respected and protected?

In contrast, what if we held signs saying "Two women can be mates too!" Do you think we would be treated differently?

Be honest now...

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Socialist nations institute suppression of Christianity.

not even half of the european countrys have same sex marriage.

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The left's use of the Gays to further attack Christianity, to create legal punishments against Christians for speaking their beliefs about homosexuality, is a continuation of the progressive attack.

what are you talking about,their are no legal punishments for christians,you don't see prop 8 supporters in jail.

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and driving the Ten Commandments out of the halls of government

for one i beleive the ten commandments do not belong in government buldings considering half of them just talk about christianity,the other half are good values,but other than that it just talks about how the christian god is the only god.

good ones

1.Respect your father and mother.


2.You must not kill.


3.You must not commit adultery.

4.You must not steal.

5.You must not give false evidence against your neighbour.


6.You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour.



not so good ones.


1.You shall have no other Gods but me.

2.You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it.

3.You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

4.You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.

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How about you and I go stand outside a school and hold signs saying, "B*tt-poking is a sin". Do you think our Right to Free Speech will be respected and protected?

In contrast, what if we held signs saying "Two women can be mates too!" Do you think we would be treated differently?

the " butt poking is a sin " sign is a little inapropriate in front of a school,and the"2 woman could be mates to " sign is less immature and doesn't dwelve into the bedroom environment.
people weren't being arrested for holding " men and woman= marriage " signs,to me that is a appropiate sign to be holding up.

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So, if they told us in public that they are our nation's enemies, what is the correct response? In our nation, speech is not punishable. However, the CONTENT of their speech reveals who they are - so they certainly become targets for surveillance, as self-proclaimed enemies of this nation, to see whether they engage in actions that may actually be harmful. What I want is for the FBI to do its job - monitor the nation's enemies.

for one i think people who burn american flags are stupid,and dwelve in the nature of Hypocrisy,but i beleive it's an amendment right for them to do it. you don't see the government spying on KKK members who talk about the killing of american people.

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not even half of the european countrys have same sex marriage.

It is one tool the left in America has singled out for suppressing freedom of Christian speech. In other countries, other techniques are used. Socialists use different tools in different situations.

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what are you talking about,their are no legal punishments for christians,you don't see prop 8 supporters in jail.

We see them targeted by hate crime, loss of jobs, etc.

And, they are punished in various venues for speaking their minds.

Judiciary Committee greenlights 'hate crimes'
Members refuse to protect Christian pastors from charges
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Lawsuit bashes back at 'Bash Back' for raiding church, intimidating worshipers
Homosexuals who violated church sued for federal violations
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'Gay' threats target Christians over same-sex 'marriage' ban
'Burn their f---ing churches, then tax charred timbers'
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Homosexuality editorial puts 1st Amendment on trial
Woman sues after she was fired for saying being 'gay' is not same as being black
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Canada: Thought police target comedian for jabbing at lesbian couple heckling him
Also, on grounds of 'human rights', pastor ordered to renounce his faith for taking moral stand against homosexuality
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the " butt poking is a sin " sign is a little inapropriate in front of a school

But this is appropriate to be given to the school kids?

"The Little Black Book - Queer in the 21st Century" - provided to middle school age and up in public schools
CAUTION: Very graphic and disgusting!
Link

Seriously, the "b*tt poking" sign is nothing compared to what the kids are subjected to in the classroom now. But, it will be punished while those forcing the gay agenda on the kids will not be.

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for one i think people who burn american flags are stupid,and dwelve in the nature of Hypocrisy,but i beleive it's an amendment right for them to do it.

Yes, that's the beauty of the 1st Amendment. It encourages our enemies to proclaim themselves so we know who they are. Knowing they are our enemies, our government is required to do what is necessary to protect us against possible escalation of hostility. Monitoring their phone lines, for example, might be appropriate, or simply tracking their phone calls to learn who else is in their "cells". The FBI is REQUIRED to do this. It's their job description. So, let the Communists make as much public fuss as they like. It puts them on the radar.

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you don't see the government spying on KKK members who talk about the killing of american people.

You don't see the government spying on anybody. That's the point. You're not supposed to see it.

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for one i beleive the ten commandments do not belong in government buldings

That's a reasonable personal opinion. I actually agree with it. Yet, I uphold our Constitution that prohibits interference with freedom of religious expression.

The Ten Commandments is represented in two locations on our Supreme Court building. The Judeo-Christian heritage is where our laws originate. So, it's fine to display reminders of that. I'll defend the Constitution even if I don't agree with ALL the content of the 10 Commandments or the content of speech of those crazy flag-burning commies.

The folks trying to get rid of the 10 Commandments and our Christian heritage are enemies of our nation. It is our duty to oppose and fight them, to prevent them from gaining even one inch in their struggle to subvert this nation under the Communist system of governance.

Here is where the Communist-founded ACLU gets its foundation for attacking Christian speech in the halls of government and schools...

Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
"In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church."
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They are your enemies. Fight them.

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That's a reasonable personal opinion. I actually agree with it. Yet, I uphold our Constitution that prohibits interference with freedom of religious expression.

though if religious literature preaching the christian god is the only god is in govermental buildings,doesn't that make us a theocracy,in which would make the constitution flawed in that aspect.

plus the governmental buildings belong to the people,and statistics show not all people follow christian beliefs. Would you feel alienated if the fundamental principals of Buddhism was planted on the wall of our town hall,and courts.

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The folks trying to get rid of the 10 Commandments and our Christian heritage are enemies of our nation. It is our duty to oppose and fight them, to prevent them from gaining even one inch in their struggle to subvert this nation under the Communist system of governance.

your thinking is obsolete your just as bad as the athiests who force their beliefs on religious groups,what makes you better,is it because you are more holy,or is it because America needs to stay christian to survive.

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That's a reasonable personal opinion. I actually agree with it. Yet, I uphold our Constitution that prohibits interference with freedom of religious expression.

then you lack the competency to think for yourself, you must rely on the constitution to shape your ideals,though this proves your ongoing hypocrisy because i'm 100% sure if gay marriage was an amendment you would detest it,and still protest against it.
everybody smart with u.S.A government knows that the constitution always has flaws,and can never be perfect,that is why the smartest people in the world added the elastic clause into it stating"when the time comes the constitution can be changed to fit that era."

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But this is appropriate to be given to the school kids?

"The Little Black Book - Queer in the 21st Century" - provided to middle school age and up in public schools
CAUTION: Very graphic and disgusting!
Link

Seriously, the "b*tt poking" sign is nothing compared to what the kids are subjected to in the classroom now. But, it will be punished while those forcing the gay agenda on the kids will not be.

under law though the kids had to get permission slips if they are showing pictures of penises. it was part of a sex ed coursemost likely,the kids aren't being forced to look at it,if that is so then parents would sue that school.if you are angry that they say being gay is okay,then you are a homophobe,because being gay is a natural thing,and it shouldn't be something to look down upon. Hell they support condom use it's not an evil organization,but an organization that speaks out to the gay community to be wary of STDs,and always use a condom. when i got my sexual education they explained different positions,what a blow job is,and what a hand job is.

so tell me what differs from man and woman sex ed. from man to man,and or woman on woman sex ed.

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It is one tool the left in America has singled out for suppressing freedom of Christian speech. In other countries, other techniques are used. Socialists use different tools in different situations

just because you don't follow a specific religion doesn't make you a soacilist.

this always happens through out history,tell me can you say n**ger anymore without being judged?this phenomenon goes by the name progression.

though i do believe some people take it way to seriously such is which the case with Mrs. California,but it is a pattern we go through,and it is normal.

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though if religious literature preaching the christian god is the only god is in govermental buildings,doesn't that make us a theocracy

Of course not. If, however, Jerry Falwell instructed our Legislature on what laws to pass, we would have a theocracy.

Our nation has never been a theocracy, even when we had Episcopalean church services in the Capitol building and when the Supreme Court and Congress opened with prayer to God for guidance.

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Would you feel alienated if the fundamental principals of Buddhism was planted on the wall of our town hall,and courts

Sure - because our nation and our laws were not founded by Buddhists. It would be a very different place if it had been.

Our nation's founders were wise enough to create many reminders of where our laws and founding principles come from. And let's not forget our first national Holiday, created by Congress and the first President, is a national day of prayer to God giving Thanks for the creation of this nation. We still celebrate it as a national holiday every year.

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what makes you better,is it because you are more holy,or is it because America needs to stay christian to survive.

Yes, that is the case. If we lose the core Christian principles, this nation becomes just another tyranny, another Socialist hell-hole. That is exactly why the Left work so hard to drive Christianity out of this nation and so many other nations they take over.

The Christian principles at the core of our national ideology are a whole LOT better than Socialist principles. That's why folks living under Socialist regimes over the past century braved Iron Curtains, Concrete walls, land mines and sharks to escape to the US.

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then you lack the competency to think for yourself, you must rely on the constitution to shape your ideals

That is an idiotic statement. The Constitution is THE LAW that restricts our government's power. Because we can think for ourselves we can see the wisdom of it.

Those who cannot think for themselves believe the Constitution is a "living, breathing document" that can be ignored. Tyrants really want to you think that way - so you will accept the fact that they ignore the law as they rule over you.

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though this proves your ongoing hypocrisy because i'm 100% sure if gay marriage was an amendment you would detest it,and still protest against it

Idiot. I voted NO on Proposition 8. Now I regret it, seeing how vicious the Leftists are when they don't get their way.

But, if it becomes a Constitutional Amendment that does not violate the primary function of government, then it will be the law.

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everybody smart with u.S.A government knows that the constitution always has flaws,and can never be perfect,that is why the smartest people in the world added the elastic clause into it stating"when the time comes the constitution can be changed to fit that era."

The Constitution is THE LAW. It cannot be (legally) ignored and if any public servant defies the Constitution they can no longer keep their job. That being said...

If the nation decides it is such a great flaw that the Constitution does not give Government jurisdiction over the religious institution of Marriage, then the 1st Amendment will be stricken and something new added. When the Constitution is changed to address the marriage issue, then the Government will have jurisdiction over the matter. Until then, it is completely prohibited for the Federal Government to interfere. Government can ONLY have the powers granted by the Constitution. That was a very wise construct by our nation's founders!

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just because you don't follow a specific religion doesn't make you a soacilist.

Socialists are actively trying to SILENCE religious expression. That is the opposite of being American, where religious free speech is welcome in schools and the halls of Government, even to the point of holding Episcopalean church services in the capitol.

Americans tolerate the free speech of others, even those with whom they disagree. Americans are okay with prayer in school or over the PA system before a school football game even if they are not religious.

Socialists try to silence it because they do not agree with it.

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this always happens through out history,tell me can you say n**ger anymore without being judged?

Heck, the leftist hate machine is so vicious that one cannot even say "nig gardly" any more without being attacked. It is not even a racist term! But those MORONS think it sounds like one so they go ballistic.

This guy should NOT have resigned. He should have told those "offended" people to their faces how ignorant they are, that they'd better start looking in the dictionary instead of going nuts over words that just sound a bit like other words.

Williams Aide Resigns in Language Dispute
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Socialists teach hate. That is a key element of their activism. It's the opposite of Christians teaching love and tolerance. That is why Socialists try to drive Christianity out of a society. Here, let the former Minister of Education for the USSR explain it...

"We hate Christians and Christianity. Even the best of them must be considered our worst enemies. They preach love of one's neighbor and mercy, which is contrary to our principles. Christian love is an obstacle to the development of the Revolution. Down with love of our neighbor! What we want is hate." - Anatole Lunarcharsky

Yeah, that's what Socialists TEACH.

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Heck, the leftist hate machine is so vicious that one cannot even say "nig gardly" any more without being attacked. It is not even a racist term! But those MORONS think it sounds like one so they go ballistic.

for all you know though the 2 black people who were offended could've been republicans,not liberals.

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That is an idiotic statement. The Constitution is THE LAW that restricts our government's power. Because we can think for ourselves we can see the wisdom of it.

Those who cannot think for themselves believe the Constitution is a "living, breathing document" that can be ignored. Tyrants really want to you think that way - so you will accept the fact that they ignore the law as they rule over you.

it's not because you follow law you can't free think,it is because you disagree with it but you do nothing about it.

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Sure - because our nation and our laws were not founded by Buddhists. It would be a very different place if it had been.

then tell me were does it say in the constitution that the christian god is the only one,since those are the first four commandments,you'de think we would make laws out of them if your theory is true.

though buddhists do live hear and since government buildings belong to the people buddhistd,muslim,scientologists,hindus,daoists,saitinists,and shintoists all have the right to post their beleifs in governmental facilities as much as christians do.

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Yes, that is the case. If we lose the core Christian principles, this nation becomes just another tyranny, another Socialist hell-hole.

that makes you sound like an elitist,believing that the christian church keeps society in check,when their are just as good if not better religions with the same principles to follow.

1.Buddhism

2. Daoism

3. hinduism

4. Judaism

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Idiot. I voted NO on Proposition 8. Now I regret it, seeing how vicious the Leftists are when they don't get their way.

i know how dare they fight for equallity like African Americans did.

do you think the right wing christians would have handled it better if they lost?

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The Christian principles at the core of our national ideology are a whole LOT better than Socialist principles. That's why folks living under Socialist regimes over the past century braved Iron Curtains, Concrete walls, land mines and sharks to escape to the US.

see you just admited you believe that if you are not a christian than you're a soacilist.