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can we store the mustard gas in your yard? is that okay since it is not dangerous? did you know we also found triggers for nuclear weapons? hmmmm? guess not. Now what would someone need these devices for do you suppose? George Bush and Osama Bin Laden agreed on one thing....Iraq is the battlegroud....I guess you would disagree with them lol |
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Speak2truth
How in the world can you say Bush got the job done. All he did was run up our national debt, start a war under false pretenses, and sent thousands of our brave military to their deaths. He made up his own laws as he went along, and broke many others under the pretenses of the patriot act. Our soldiers are even being killed by the Iraq's we are "training". Dont see how as you put it "the Bush plan has succeeded!!" |
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fireleu... you've been sadly disinformed. Here are some truths I hope you will grasp:
1) The war cost money, true, yet Bush reinvigorated our economy (even as Democrats screamed it was a new Great Depression back in 2001) Under Bush's guidance, and his justice department taking down corporate crooks (in contrast to Obama handing our money to them) Bush restored faith in the market, brought unemployment down lower than it had ever been under Clinton and inspired the stock market to climb to its highest level ever. Bush Unemployment at 5.0%- Bad... Clinton Unemployment at 5.4%- Good Link Bush Administration got tough on corporate white-collar crime Four years on, Enron men face their day of reckoning Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling, chiefs of the disgraced Texas energy group, go on trial on Monday in what is being called 'the most must-win case the US has ever prosecuted' Link President Bush Signs Corporate Corruption Bill Link Ashcroft Announces Fraud Charges Against WorldCom Executives "Corporate executives who cheat investors, steal savings, and squander pensions will meet the judgement they fear and the punishment they deserve" Link 2) Saddam Hussein started the war. Then, he sent his agents to attack inside the United States just as he told US Ambassador April Glaspie he would if we were to 'pressure' him. Iraq's agents (Ramzi Yousef, Yasin, etc.) killed thousands of Americans. Bush put an end to that by fulfilling the Clinton Administration's "Iraq Liberation Act" of 1998. Yeah, Clinton bombed the hell out of Iraq but failed miserably - Bush succeeded in the job Democrats insisted MUST get done! Speak2Truth Blog: Iraq's War Against the US - The Hidden Details Link 3) Bush did not make up his own laws. Can you show us one? But Bush DID fulfill his duty as President - to use whatever force is necessary to defend America. 4) Our soldiers clobbered Al Qaeda in Iraq. That was good 'training' for our side - achieving victory and sending the enemy into a panic. Iraqi neighbours rise up against al-Qa'eda "Awakening" movements across Iraq are helping to rid Sunni neighbourhoods of extremist influence Link Al-Qaeda leaders admit: 'We are in crisis. There is panic and fear' Al-Qaeda in Iraq faces an “extraordinary crisis”. Last year's mass defection of ordinary Sunnis from al-Qaeda to the US military “created panic, fear and the unwillingness to fight”. Link MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Live Free |
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Actually it is complete and utter horses@#$t that the Iraquis wanted us to stay as you now undoubtedly know.
You may be under the illusion that war is the answer to our problems and you may, somehow think that the US is motivated by some altruistic effort to help the little people and that we were fighting for their very survival..etc. Yeah right! Look how much the Republicans care about the little guy here and in other countries. Forgive me, but I do not for one second believe that the Republicans lead us into that ill fated war with any good intentions towards the plight of the poor Arab people of those countries. The entire thing was motivated by corporate greed and nothing else. These are people who like to try to claim some kind of Christian moral high ground from where? I hate to remind you of a painful truth, but Jesus doesn't like lyers and would never be in favor of so much frivolous blood letting. If those places, which are not and never have been democracies, have their political problems, it is actually none of our business to correct them or "solve" their problems. Just as in Viet Nam, we went in there and spent an incredible amount of time, money and human life to solve some elses problems and ended up killing just as many of the people we were supposedly there to help. Conservatives often think that they can solve problems with bombs and flame throwers and then they become angry and hurt when some of us"liberals" don't agree with you. I don't claim to be a liberal.I am a Christian. No, I don't like war no matter what any of you say. No offense.You don't have to agree with anything I say, but I may actually know a lot more than you think. |
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ronlemley u r right if what the conservatives say r true about how they fight for freedome,and the little guy,well if that was the case how come they don't invade some parts in China.Wait is it because China doesn't have that much oil as the middle East does.
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u are mistaking it would be mission accomplished when we find Osama,u know the person that is the leader of the organization that created the travesty of 9/11. and those are the people rebelling,and you have no proof the U.S.A. Spured on this rebelling.As far as i'm concerned it was the people's decision therefore making it the People's victory,and not the American Government's victory. and the Shia aren't just pushing back sunni extremists they are also pushing back normal sunnis in which case means we created a civil war between sunnis,and shias in Iraq.It would be more of an accomplishment if the U.S.A taught them how to live in peace with eachother,and even that is impossible considering no matter how big the army is you can not force peace onto a people. you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. |
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S2T i'm a man that cares about results,and the results of the Bush presidency was billions of $ in deficit,and i could care less about the unemployment rate of clinton,which i guess though makes bush more of an idiot screwing up this economy with such a "good" employment rate. you could say the democrats in senate did it,but if that's the case make links to the laws that got passed under the senates eyes that George Bush didn't agree with. |
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That's easy. Let's start with the crisis the new Democrat leadership insists must not be allowed to go to waste. They created it...
Shocking Video Unearthed: Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis Link Snopes: New York Times reported in 1999 that Fannie Mae was 'broken' and would lead to disaster in economic downturn Bush tried to fix it with oversight committee, Democrats thwarted effort Link Snopes: Bush Admin tried to rein in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congressional Democrats, with Barney Frank as spokesman, thwarted the effort. Link So, why is Barack Obama seizing billions of dollars from Americans to stuff in the pockets of the corporate crooks at AIG, Fannie Mae, etc? Obama Received a $101,332 Bonus from AIG Link Update: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Lawmakers Barak Obama and John Kerry are number two and three Link When Republicans controlled Congress, they were able to put the brakes on the Socialists' scheme to wreck the nation's economy. Once Democrats got control and seemed assured that the next President would not be someone like Bush who would stop them, the process was put into rapid motion. Live Free |
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Didn't someone say the media shouldn't report nor officials count the casualties in Iraq? What kind of planet do we live on?
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Why don't you ask your Messiah? |
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In my opinion, and you don't have to agree with me, is that a military solution is much worse than no solution at all. My reason for saying this is based on historical fact since every war that the US has engaged in over the past 50 years has included an enourmous amount of extremely messy colateral damage, polution, and economic disaster.
My main disagreement to war is that it kills people. Remember the 10 commandments? Apparently not. Oh well....My other disagreement to them is that they are not fought above the board. There always seems to be an incredible amount of dishonesty involved. We were told that the Viet Nam War was to thwart the spread of communinism. Is anyone really dense enough to believe that? We were told that we were fighting to preserve the "democracy" of Kuwait, which was a despotic emerite and had never had democracy. We weren't even told about our governement involvement in Central America where we contributed billions to the "death squads" who used our tax dollars to unceremoniously decapitate mass numbers of civilians,kill preists, steal land and kidnap farmers to press them into military service. You should begin to wonder when you see those pictures of the own CIA's George Bush senior with his arm around Manuel Noriega. What about Dick Chaney being the past CEO of Haliburton? If that isn't enough to make you question their motivation, what does it mean that George W. Bush had an oil company and his sole client was the Bin Laden family. Yes the same family, and yes, it is indeed suspicious. War profiteers, oil and money motivated wars... Someone is selling us the notion that these wars are being fought with a noble intent to protect us. The real truth may be something that you may not want to face. |
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Well, I happen to believe Bill Clinton was correct. Allowing rogue nations like Saddam's or Hitler's or the USSR to simply expand and subjugate the world really is worse than the messy fight to stop them from doing it. The only reason you are free to speak on this forum is because of the military solution.
Why go back only 50 years? The American Revolution did too. And it was a fight absolutely worth fighting. How about the US Civil War, one benefit of which was to put an end to Democrat slavery? Also worth every shot fired. This fight put an end to the war started by Saddam Hussein who invaded Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to choke off the USA's oil supplies. To KILL the United States of America. Worth fighting back? You betcha!
Oh, you want to get Biblical about it. God ordered Moses to wage war to carve out places where His obedient followers could live. Remember that? The Ten Commandments say, "Thou Shalt Not Murder". But killing in self defense is dictated in the book of Exodus. So is killing of kidnapers. And, there is no penalty for killing an intruder in your home. Are you SURE you want to get Biblical about this?
Perhaps you think the Invasion of Normandy should not have been concealed under layer upon layer of deception? Give Adolf a fair chance to set up a defense to massacre our people? Dumbass.
Who is dense enough to forget that once the Americans pulled out, the Communists went on a rampage and murdered a couple of million people? Yeah, we WERE stopping the spread of murderous Communism until traitors like John Kerry (D) demoralized Americans into giving up.
No, we weren't. We were fighting to stop Saddam from taking over the Middle East and choking off our oil supplies. We were fighting to preserve Kuwait's sovereign government, of course, as well as Saudi Arabia's and whomever else was in Saddam's Blitzkrieg plans.
Who cares? When Bill Clinton established the no-bid relationship between Halliburton and the Pentagon, it was to ensure our military got the services it needed right away. It was to ensure the survival of our troops. AS WE ALL KNOW, Dick Cheney sold off his Halliburton holdings when he became V.P. to ensure morons could not claim he had some sort of conflict of interest. He really over-estimated the morons on that one. Let's look at a few pertinent facts: 1) Foreign Agents from Iraq and Al Qaeda staged a series of attacks on US soil beginning with the first World Trade Center attack in 1993. It war orchestrated by Ramzi Yousef, an Iraqi intelligence agent. 2) Yousef went on to orchestrate the Oklahoma City Bombing in coordination with Terry Nichols. Both of them now rot in prison for their crimes. Further attacks orchestrated by Iraq included the 9/11 attack. GW Bush sent our military to take down the leadership and structure that was attacking and killing Americans by the thousands. GW Bush succeeded. There have been no more attacks on the US since. Now ask yourself again if there is a "noble" cause behind that. Ask yourself again if the President did his duty to provide for the "common defense" of the American People. Hint: The answer is unmistakably "YES". Live Free |
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S2T; you rule!
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Oh yes, you are so right.Why didn't I think of that? Just kill them all, what a clean, easy solution. And here I was dumb enough to think that diplomacy or peace was a good thing.
It's so clear to me now.War is the perfect answer to all of the world's problems. It's so good for the economy too. Who cares about our Christian values? Jesus was just as bloodthirtsy as the rest of us according you conservatives. Why not just loot, pilage, kill, mame, bomb, it's all good right? Get real! |
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No major conflict has ever been permanently resolved through negotiations.
Peace invariably follows victory of one party and defeat of another. This is a world governed by the aggressive use of force. Which of these immutable truths would you like to tackle first? |
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