OK this folder has been too quiet.
All y'all remember a few years back when SF Mayor Newsome decided that CA state law, and the will of the people, didn't apply to SF and ordered his city officials to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. Our, o so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive board of stuporvisors issued a resolution supporting full civil rights for all citizens shortly afterwards.

What say we start beating them over the head with that and demand that Sonoma County become a must issue state? Force the Sheriff to issue CCWs to anyone with a clean record. Big Dog, Gaff, care to join in on this?

In three simple words... good bleepin' luck. The on-going "Marin-ization" of SoCo, particularly the south county, isn't going to do any of us any favors. My supervisor, Mike Kerns, is a retired LEO but I'm guessing that he may well have quaffed the political Kool Aid at some point. Sheriff Cogbill is on record, through his department's actions, as being anti-CCW.

We have the police and big government, after all, to protect us.

The way to attack it, I think, is through the budgeting process. It occurred to me just the other day (while sitting on the can, which shows you what I think of pretty much the entire political process anymore) that a supportive member of the board of supes could make at least a bit of hay by calling it out when the Sheriff and his staff make their yearly pilgrimage for their budget. During the invetiable give and take, ask the sheriff straight up how many permits are out there and how many resources he has dedicated, in whole or in part, to permit management / issuance. If the raw number of permits outstanding is shrinking year over year, and it is, then the question becomes why do you have so much resource devoted to it?

The argument becomes if you aren't issuing permits, then you don't need that headcount funded, do you. I've not met a civil service department head yet who would willingly give up headcount as with the resource to fund the headcount comes power. Three of five supes could vote to direct the sheriff to either put up or give up the budget dollars / headcount.

I believe he currently has a captain sitting on permit issuance, with who knows how many other resources associated to do the backgrounds, file the paperwork, etc. etc. etc. Think the department could be run leaner with one less captain and maybe one less detective and a clerk or two? I sure do.

Some good thoughts there, Big Dog. Sounds like instead of wasting a captain and others, it could be a part time job for people on light duty or having to work a desk for various administrative reasons.

the only flaw is finding a sup who supports all enumerated and protected civil rights.

Maybe if the USSC rules the right way, and in a broad enough way, in Heller, things can be changed.

While I agree with you on what Heller should be, it will likely take decades of litigation here in California to have a real impact.

Gentlemen,
CCW, Remember this "when seconds count the police are only minutes away"

But subjoe... you still haven't bothered to apply for a CCW through the existing process to legally obtain one. You never tried in the belief it was impossible. Your lack of a CCW is due to your own lack of trying. There's no conspiracy against the honest citizens of Sonoma County. You only have your own lack of effort to blame.

OTOH, I believe that CA state law and the will of the people does apply here in Sonoma County. Taking the law into your own hands isn't how people get things done in America, and Newsome's failure is a perfect example. Oh, what a rebel. It wasn't about civil rights. It was all about Gavin Newsome making a name for himself.

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Originally posted by subdjoe:
OK this folder has been too quiet.
All y'all remember a few years back when SF Mayor Newsome decided that CA state law, and the will of the people, didn't apply to SF and ordered his city officials to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. Our, o so tolerant, diverse, and inclusive board of stuporvisors issued a resolution supporting full civil rights for all citizens shortly afterwards.

What say we start beating them over the head with that and demand that Sonoma County become a must issue state? Force the Sheriff to issue CCWs to anyone with a clean record. Big Dog, Gaff, care to join in on this?

I moved to Sonoma County with a valid CCW from my former home County. I applied for a Sonoma County CCW - presenting all necessary requirements - everything stated on paper. I was then denied a CCW based on the personal "discretion" of the Sonoma County Sheriff. Did I neglect to mention that I had been the victim of an assault by a gang member? Did I neglect to mention threats made by that gang member...and by his banger buddies after the one who assaulted me got himself killed by cops? Did I mention that I did NOT produce a weapon during the assault because I was in a cul-de-sac crowded with small children playing?

The Police Chief/Sheriff did agree that I met the qualifications, however, they did not feel that I was at any great risk of future personal attack. Yeah, right. If I did not qualify (in the eyes of Sonoma County Law Enforcement) to be issued a CCW, I doubt that any other citizens would.

And the mouse roared! Please, police agencies will not put loaded weapons into the hands of civilians because they are already scared witless about the weapons out there.

The problem is police vs. civilian rights to protect themselves. That said, it is still a misdemeanor to carry a loaded, legal gun. Big deal, unless you could lose you job over a misdemeanor weapons charge. I know I could. Good topic, the sheriff is an absent (living in Sac), detached admin. guy. We need CCW in Sonoma like nobody else.

IMHO, ban all guns or allow all guns. I'll take either option for 100$ Alex...Me

Jessie James still lives, and is armed...we've only succeeded in taking guns away from the from law abiding citizens! Every non-felon should be allowed to carry a CCW (Gun). Not knowing who had a gun would slow o'le Jessie down...and would eliminate him if they were armed. We, as a society, have only made victims easy to pick off by taking away the right to carry CCW's. The cops can only arrive after the fact!!!

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must issue state? Force the Sheriff to issue CCWs to anyone with a clean record. Big Dog, Gaff, care

How sad that the politicos don't ever listen to the people. AND they never ever want to confuse themselves with facts like Florida's CCW law and the fact that it has reduced crime. Hell why would they want to reduce crime when it is big business? If home invasions and robberies are down, because the criminal doesn't know if the intended victim has a weapon, and doesn't know if they are going to get their head blown off, just makes too much sense! So what they do is make a lot of honest citizens break the law by carrying with out a permit. If I lived in certain areas of the county where the response time is not instant, I would not even hesitate in doing just that. Again it is my warped opinion that I myself not some dispatcher who hands up on people calling for help is responsible for my own safety and security. I do not and will not rely on "the system" to protect, clothe and feed me! And I know a whole bunch of people that feel the same way I do.
I do like the idea of limiting or riding watch on their budgets! Does he really live in Sacto?

The only way you are going to change things here is to elect Supervisors that will support CCW permits, or elect a Sheriff that will do the same. The reason the liberals have taken over politics in this county is that they push their agenda. Granted, they outnumber conservatives 4-1, but that always wasn't the case. If you want CCW's here in SoCo, you need to be vocal. Get a good candidate and get them elected to the Board of Supe's or elected Sheriff.

just curious.........has anyone EVER been issued a permit in SoCo?

Talk to just about any REAL cop, the ones on the street - just about any of them will say that they don't worry about the honest citizen with a firearm. It is only when you get to the political cops that you get them touting the p/c anti-gun line.

Misanthrope (and I think that you have named yourself well), I'm not going to throw away that non-refundable fee, put myself through the process for nothing. I have talked personally with the CLEO in RP, and got told that there is no way in hell that I would get a CCW. I know several people who are instructors and regularly transport a dozen or so handguns and hundreds of rounds of ammumition - perfect targets - who have been denied CCWs. I have inquired at the SC Sheriffs department and been told that the Lord High Sheriff doesn't believe in issuing permits.
The real point is - why should an honest citizen have to beg for the privilege of exercising a protected and enumerated right?

New Guy - I think there are some active CCWs in Sonoma county, under 150. Most of those, if I recall correctly, are to retired LEOs, judges, and assorted political types or friends of the same.

Look at Marin County - almost no CCWs active, but one to that violent piece of pond scum, Sean Penn. Somehow he can qualify, even with his convictions for violent crimes.

On the bright side, I guess Pistol Packin' Pete Parata has let his expire and is not trying to get a renewal (at least as far as I can find). I guess the political heat he caught for working to deny the average honest citizen the RKBA while himself exercising that right made him think twice.

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Originally posted by saboteuse:
I moved to Sonoma County with a valid CCW from my former home County. I applied for a Sonoma County CCW - presenting all necessary requirements - everything stated on paper. I was then denied a CCW based on the personal "discretion" of the Sonoma County Sheriff. Did I neglect to mention that I had been the victim of an assault by a gang member? Did I neglect to mention threats made by that gang member...and by his banger buddies after the one who assaulted me got himself killed by cops? Did I mention that I did NOT produce a weapon during the assault because I was in a cul-de-sac crowded with small children playing?

The Police Chief/Sheriff did agree that I met the qualifications, however, they did not feel that I was at any great risk of future personal attack. Yeah, right. If I did not qualify (in the eyes of Sonoma County Law Enforcement) to be issued a CCW, I doubt that any other citizens would.

Actually, a CCW issued in any county in CA is valid in the entire state; unless the law has been changed.

However, there are too many liberals in CA to ever have a "must issue" law passed. They still believe that guns cause crime and a scared-at-birth incident made Obama look like Howdy-Doody.