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No doubt the czars are huddled around their leader in the White House, deciding how they're going to hoodwink the American people into approving an amnesty for 50,000,000 illegal aliens. The fact is, as Tancredo says, the vast majority of Americans have already made up their minds: illegals need to pack up and leave. But the current administration has demonstrated they could care less what the people want. The point is, we need to be ready for this battle. It's going to be alot bigger, alot tougher than last time. The forces of evil are well organized and well funded. La Raza and the rest of the Latino "advocacy" groups have slithered their way into the halls of power and in some cases blackmailed lawmakers into supporting their agenda, in exchange for votes. It will take more than a group of angry protesters at town hall meetings to defeat this agenda. But it has to be done. The future of our nation and our children depends on it. |
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I recommend a full scale revolution; any intelligent person knows the US will become a slum like mexico is now in 15 years after 50 mil illegals are granted amnesty. Littering, rape, extreme gov. corruption and drug cartels gunning down police every night are just a few of the “benefits” the America citizens will be receiving.
I say we fight for what we have left, if we die in the process at least we know we were fighting for a worthy cause. Buy your gun today and buy 1000 rounds of ammo and be ready to take it to the streets. If a mere 4 million of us got together and had an armed march and demanded immediate mass deportations of illegals (which is only enforcing the law BTW), mass deportations is what we would get, power comes from the barrel of a gun, this we cannot afford to forget. Amnesty or not I will love what will become of the liberals and their children as they will be the victims of rape, robbery and murder like it or not they will be educated on open borders with an impoverish country like mexico the “hard way”. __________________________ "If a man hasn't discovered something he will die for, he isn't fit to live". Martin Luther King Jr |
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NAFTA Superhighway West. flicker
Link Great looking bridge over the Colorado River near Hoover Dam. WIRE |
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lets say we all got our wish and poof!, 50M mexiacans were returned to Mexico.
Is anyone willing to discuss the humanitarian crisis Mexico would suffer with an injection of 23-30% increaso of their population without the infrastructure or industry to immediately and artificially absorb that many new people? I propose the outcome would be a hybrid of Cambodia's killing fields and Darfur, Africa. There would be mass genicide, disease, starvation right there on our border and spilling over again to only compound the problem we started with. Does anyone really want that on our southern border? Mass deportation is out of the question. Those mexicans with families here will have to stay. All single mexicans should be self deported through local and state level harrassment laws designed to make it inhospitible to shadow population. Face it ya'll, the best case scenario is we are stuck with more than half of the illegal population and their offspring. Those are the ones we can count on to be valued memebers of our society if we as a whole demand that from them. The lowest of the illegals, the drunks, criminals, those who still couldn't make it in a functioning society after years in the US should be rejected and sent back to Mexico for that country to deal with. __________________________  Obama lied, America died! |
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Bullshit! Kill em. We have lots and lots of desert to bury them in. They COULD have stayed in old Mexico and made parts in the factories that moved there from here. I know many Americans who's jobs moved out of this country. (Mexico, Canada, China, etc.) They COULD have stayed and fixed their own country. But instead invaded this country. It's getting ugly, and it's going to get a LOT uglier. And they are taking over the infrastructure of this country. I see a lot of it where I am. And anybody who isn't already armed is a victim. Both of the invasion, and of the corrupted Government of the United States. Ask yourselves, "Who did I vote for?" You broke it off in your own a$$. The "humanitarian" thing to do is population reduction. You send them back, they sneak back in. More revolving door bullshit. |
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Sounds like your running now res. is the paper work finished?
WIRE |
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Res, if you're willing to sacrifice your safety and your life savings to support these deadbeat families with their seven kids, then go ahead. I can't afford it. I work one full time job and two part-time jobs and will still have to borrow to pay my property tax. The country is broke as it is, how are we supposed to pay for these millions of deadbeats, and their kids, AND all the others they will invite if granted amnesty? You're thinking with your heart, and God bless you for that, but I can't love my own children and millions of illegals as well. |
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I appreciated the old TV series, "The Prisoner", revealing the machinations of the Socialist ruling elite. One phrase always stuck in my mind, "We are Democratic, when it suits us." Notice how they hang on the "mandate of the people" when they can snow enough people into supporting their schemes - but pretend The People don't even exist when working against us. Democrats ARE YOUR ENEMIES. I hate to say it, but I think Ocliflex is correct. I cannot think of any other remedy to remove this Leftist Coup and its foreign agents from our halls of power. Res - I am thinking of the humanitarian cost of sending them back to Mexico. Ideally, we send them each with a cheap gun and a box of ammo and a copy of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution and tell them, "Fix your nation. If you try to come back here, you will be treated as an enemy combatant, since you are now a warrior." If we continue to allow Mexico to send its invasion force here, that will not fix the problem - Mexico. Sure, there are other countries sending illegals here as well but I believe it is clear that Mexico is doing it as a hostile invasion and takeover of the American political system. Mexico is waging WAR on the USA. Live Free |
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My opening statement plan in this thread supposes that an historic upset has taken place in 2010 and the independents are able to apply proper damage control first.
Damage control you ask? Close down the illegal boarder crossing by positioning national guards on the main crossing areas of the southern border. All we need to do establish a military posture. We don't need to harm anyone because we are ultimately talking about peasents who are only taking advantage of our apathy twards the boarder. They will stop coming when we say NO. Threaten to declare war on Mexico for facilitating its state sponsored silent invation of the USA. Use the threat to encourage their own govt. to finally erradicate the drug cartels who are primarily responsible for the Mexicans fleeing that war zone. If the Mexican govt fails after a short period, the US should declare war on Mexico and godlessly erradicate the drug cartel ourselves. Once they are erradicated in 90=120 days we can force the illegal population to repatriate themselves into a wholly purged and sanitized Mexico where they can establish themselves as captains of industry. Revitalize the American value of Manifest Destiny and free market enterprise by withdrawling from globalization, NATO and 90% of our international military bases. If the world wants to do business with America, the world can adapt American values of free market enterprise system which we were founded on but since discarded. America lost it's way by adopting the greater worlds value of totalitarianism and statism. Tax corporations who have offshored Americas industries to induce them to voluntarily return the high tech and industrial factories to American communities. If they don't repatriate factories we place terrifs so high on what they want to dump into our stores that it balances out the disparity of wages, and nonexistant environmental laws which they were attracted to in the first place. S2T, that is an excellent idea. I didn't think about supplying them with a gun and ammo but I have been proposing that since they all have got a good sniff if freedom (to use my favorite Bush term) and most have practical experience in living in a modern, functional society, the Mexican repats are in perfect position to return to their homeland and take positons of captains of industry in a Mexian Renissance. My best buddy who happens to be an illegal of 15 years assures me that 90% of the illegals want nothing more than to return to their home land but can not because of the total collapse of civil order in Mexico and Central America. I listen to him and believe him. For them to return while their birthplace is in the condition it's in is simular to someone in Beverly Hills moving into.....Roseland or worse yet the slum parts of Richmond and Oakland. It's just not a possibility when you are faced with the barrel of a gun the moment you return. __________________________ Obama lied, America died! |
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The state of the Mexican social order is not the responsibility of the US taxpayer. If their system is broken THEY need to fix it. Americans have pumped billions of dollars and untold resources into that country, and accepted the care and feeding of tens of millions of their citizens, with the result that both nations are in worse shape than ever. If the Mexican nationals living here want their country to change they need to go home and change it, and stop bleeding us dry. When our nation was divided in a bloody civil war, we didn't send our citizens to other countries. When we were suffering through the Depression did the unemployed move to Mexico? If these people are as loyal to Mexico as they say they are then they need to go back and turn things around. The other option is to utilize the (abandoned) Reagan plan for a land invasion of Mexico. |
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Gee wish the church stepped in saved Mexico from Spain, oh that's right Spain was the Church. They would have been better off with the French! Isn't that why they have May 5th here in the USA isn't it?
Still sounds like your running. WIRE |
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Hope you are not saying that I think restoring Mexican social order is the responsibility of the US taxpayer. I would be open to the US military moving in for a short period of time to sanitize the nation and make it hospitable for repatriation. Their system is not nessisarily broken because the drug catel is operating it quite efficiently. That is their system at the moment. It's a drug cartel and the Mexican people can not defeat it or change it, they are powerless to it. I propose the US military break their system of the drug cartel and let the repats fix it themselves. Also, America should force Mexico to end it's official policy of isolationalism and join the commonwealth. That would facilitate the exploitation of their natural resources, thus pull them out of poverty and into 1st world status, finally. I don't nessisarily want all the illegals to leave. Especially the honest family oriented ones. Imagine for a moment what it would mean if all 50Million just vanished.... All of Roseland would be empty. Housing values and rentals would plummet to a tiny fraction of what they nominally are. Landlords would lose their properties without renters. We would be left with an underpopulated society which would absolutely mean an economic contraction and a severely reduced standard of living, probably worse than the situation of the 30s. Remember the rags on the actors of Our Gang Little Rascals and the recurring theme of just surviving and finding food? Increasing standards of living or economic expansion is dependent on (among other things) increasing the population itself. Since RvsW, over 40Million American babies were slaughtered and denied the birth right of American citizenship. However, America has seen continuous population, and thus, economic growth since 1973. Has it been any wonder to you that that is nearly exactly the number of illegals and their offspring in America today? The open border policies were required to offset the unnatural elimination of natural born citizens and ensure economic growth. Anyone would be wise to place the blame on RvsW instead of the illegals. I'll end this by reminding everyone that we are in a full blown depression and things will get much worse in the next two years. Food price is the next great inflation or bubble to hit us. The cost of housing and rental will drop significantly and food prices will rise inversely proportional to housing decline. It's like an inflated rubber glove. Squeeze one finger and some other finger will expand to compensate. Right now the housing sector is getting the air squeezed out of it and I predict the food sector will inflate. Prepair youselves now by obtaining at least one year supply of nonperishable foods. Two years is better if there is still time and if you can manage it. __________________________ Obama lied, America died! |
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Res if all the illegals left tomorrow the hospitality and agricultural industries would be hard hit...for about a week. By that time they would have hired enough Americans to fill the jobs and stay in business. You're right Roseland would be a ghost town and the landlords would suffer...for a month or two. By that time the working class Americans who used to live there, the construction workers, truck drivers and the like, would be back in their rightful place. Look up the words "ICE raid" on google and read the news stories from the past 2-3 years. In every case, where a business was shut down due to the arrest of their illegal workforce, within days the company was up and running again with American workers AT THE SAME RATE OF PAY. Next, the deportation of all illegals would result in an immediate saving of hundreds of billions of dollars at all levels of government. No more deficit. Face it, Res, your heart may be in the right place but you need to rethink this issue. And finally, most important, these are not the "tired, poor" immigrants of Emma Lazarus, this is an invading army intent on the overthrow of our government. We can and should invade Mexico to establish order and destroy the cartels, but at the same time we must drive these foreigners out and shut the door in their faces.
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Nope, not even close. |
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You don't really think this is a good idea do you? Please reconsider. |
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