Ms. Annie, Orly Taitz looks way better than you and your fat arse.

b33 - No I think I'm hot for Hillgal - living up in the Oregon boondocks is much more to my liking. We could have a James Carville/Mary Maitlin sort of thing you know?

In his book he states he found his Birth Certificate! Unless he through it out by now! If I remember it's on page 59!

WIRE

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Originally posted by kenk91645:
By the way Speak, Nazi doctrine is generally accepted by the extreme far right.

You're completely wrong on that.

The Leader of the Socialist Worker's Party, Adolf Hitler, is as Leftist as you can get.

Leftists will use the "threat" of other leftists to get themselves into power if their propaganda and national experience has first worked up a public perception of those other Leftists as a looming threat.

Today's Communists, right here in America, ardently proclaim that "Communism is dead!". Don't ever believe the words coming out of a Leftist's mouth. To them, words are tools of manipulation, not expression of honestly held beliefs.

Adolf was the epitome of the Leftist dictator in all that he said and did. His professed ideology came straight from Marx (and Darwin).

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST - John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.)
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The Nazis Were Marxists
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And, BTW, Leftists made up "Godwin's Law" to deflect honest conversation away from exposing them. It's merely a childish attempt to hide from honest discussion. It ain't a law. I laugh at it.

Here, learn the difference between the Right and the Left...

The American Form of Government - Comparison of types of government
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Like I said, the parties have some common beliefs but are politically polar to each other. Nazi's adhere to far right beliefs.

Who really cares anyway - they're both failed wingnut political positions professor. Why you continue to refer to them only heaven knows. It has really lost it's impact. With you it always seems to come at the end of one of your rants when you run out of things to say or at the beginning when you don't have anything to say. Tossed around flippantly as an insult rather than to prove a point.

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Originally posted by kenk91645:
Hillgal - you were lucky that they accepted your hospital birth certificate because it is not acceptable proof. Even little league requires a certified copy of a birth record issued by a governmental agency. So does the Department of State as well as DMV. Local, state and federal employment also require proof of birth by a certified copy held by the vital records department in the county where you were born. You cannot get nor view an original certificate only certified copies are available.

Speak - I wouldn't expect you would have had a problem getting a certified copy of your birth registration. It's pretty easy but we've been around the ranch before with this Obama issue so there is no need to go there - your argument and rationale have not changed. It would just be another worthless circle jerk. By the way, you just violated Godwin's law with your Nazi reference thus losing the debate on the issue. Only took 12 posts on this topic to get there - usually you do it in less than five.

Ken, I really take offense at you calling me a liar! I stated that my ORIGINAL (hospital) birth certificate has been accepted everywhere I needed to present proof of birth! If you choose to call me a liar simply because it inflates your opinion, then that is sad.

As I STATED, it was accepted by DMV just last Spring when I needed to obtain a drivers license in the state I moved to from California. The same was true for a family member in the same situation. Birth certificate provided by hospital at time of birth was accepted as proof of birth. These documents are not as easily forged as paper certificates that may have been forged. The agency asking for the documents may never follow-through proving the numbers and seal are indeed original. Documents with footprints,hospital information etc are a bit more convincing, don't you think?

In the past it was accepted by DOJ,FBI and NCIC as needed for background investigation for employment.

Now, cease calling me a liar because YOU may have problems in getting YOUR documentation accepted.

Chill Hill! I only said you were lucky not a liar. If poorly trained document verifiers want to accept your baby book as proof of birth then so be it. I have no problems at all with ID lady. Here is mine.

Good luck getting one with your baby book.

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Originally posted by kenk91645:
Chill Hilgall! I only said you were lucky not a liar. If poorly trained document verifiers want to accept your baby book as proof of birth then so be it.

Again, to clarify...it is not the book that they accept, it is the original certificate glued inside the book. That certificate includes identifying information, including the signatures of the doctor and nurse that attended the birth and took the footprints. Pretty conclusive evidence of birth and reasonable persons recognize and accept that as proof of birth. So far. I have never ordered or obtained they type of certificate you are speaking of, so yes, I have been fortunate as well as successful in proving my birth by presenting the original document.
Now, the dispute with Obama is he has REFUSED to present such a document, even though he claims to have it. What is the problem then, in presenting that proof if for no other reason than to remove the distraction of those demanding to see it? My response is the same as others....he does not present it because either it does not exist, OR, it exists but would prove he is foreign born.

Simple enough to settle, yet the man pays big money to keep it hidden. What conclusion would ANY reasonable person derive from that?

Again your hospital certificate is only that - a fancy certificate with no legal value. Only until registered with the county you were born in is your birth certified. Usually the hospitals report that information

Your parents could have pulled a fast one on you. Have you compared your footprints to those in your baby book certificate? You may want to get a certified copy of your birth registration to be really sure. Heaven forbid that you could be an illegal.

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Originally posted by kenk91645:
Again your hospital certificate is only that - a fancy certificate with no legal value. Only until registered with the county you were born in is your birth certified. Usually the hospitals report that information

Your parents could have pulled a fast one on you. Have you compared your footprints to those in your baby book certificate? You may want to get a certified copy of your birth registration to be really sure. Heaven forbid that you could be an illegal.

Are you always so dense? Never mind.

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Originally posted by kenk91645:
Like I said, the parties have some common beliefs but are politically polar to each other. Nazi's adhere to far right beliefs.

Provide some examples. Convince us.

As far as I have seen, Communists and Socialists (like the NAZIs) are Marxists and there is no ideological difference between them. Fascists are Socialists adhering to the Doctrine of Fascism penned by the Socialist dictator, Benito Mussolini. Hitler, Castro, Mao and many others developed their Socialist Dictatorships using the notions and techniques Mussolini authored.

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Who really cares anyway - they're both failed wingnut political positions professor. Why you continue to refer to them only heaven knows.

We should care because the same techniques are in use by today's Socialists with the same goals in mind. What they desperately want is for you to NOT pay attention to what their brethren have done in the past. They want you to NOT recognize that they are rushing down the same path that past Socialist Dictatorships paved in the quest for absolute dominion over an enslaved population.

They want you to forget the NAZIs, the "Red" Communists.

They even change their names, knowing that simple-minded people believe labels define an ideology rather than the other way around - that an ideology is cloaked in a label (or a color) because of the powerful effect on the weak-minded.

"Red"

"Green"

"Progressive"

"Liberal"

They care so much about deflecting your attention away from who they truly are that they carefully change your understanding of the meaning of labels.

How to turn red states blue - the Left changed their map color association from red to blue,
deflecting symbolic reference to their 'red' ideology
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You SHOULD care about their manipulations. The NAZIs used a great deal of symbolic programming, lofty speeches about "Hope" and "Change", put forth a powerfully charismatic podium speaker and, if you really dig into their activities, you'll see them repeated by today's Leftists whether in the Obama Administration or the Aztlan movement.

Most important to them is to screw with your mind, to break your ability to grasp what they are doing. That's why they put out silly notions like "Godwin's Law" or "Never trust anyone over 30" (remember that one?).

Here, let a KGB agent explain to you how they mess with your head...

Yuri Bezmenov - KGB explains psychological warfare inside US, demoralization
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Hillgal - here is an excerpt from the Oregon DMV (where I believe you reside by the way) Note the highlighted portion. Again, you were lucky and got a poorly trained document examiner when you applied for your license.

When you apply for a driver license, driver permit or identification card you will be required to provide at least one document listed below as proof that you are a U.S. citizen, Lawful Permanent Resident or that you are legally present in the U.S. for a temporary period of time.

All documents submitted must be original or certified copies issued by a federal, state or local government agency of the United States, with the exception of a foreign passport being presented with an acceptable immigration document, and must be acceptable to DMV. DMV has the discretion to reject or to require additional evidence to verify your legal presence in the U.S., your identity and date of birth.

The following documents can be used as proof of U.S. Citizenship:
U.S. Government-issued birth document certified by a city, county, state or federal agency, including District of Columbia, U.S. Census Bureau or a U.S. Territory (American Samoa, Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands, and North Mariana Islands) , however:
The document cannot be laminated
DMV will not accept birth documents issued by a non-government agency, such as a hospital issued birth certificate, hospital issued birth card, hospital issued birth registration or a baptismal certificate Birth documents from the Canal Zone are only acceptable if the birth was prior to 1980;
A U.S. Consular Report of Birth Abroad (FS-240);
A Request for Verification of Birth (DD372) that must include date/signature of recruiting officer, and signature, date and official seal or stamp of the issuing Vital record agency;
Report of Child Born Abroad of American Parent(s);
A valid U.S. Passport, Passport Card or Emergency Passport expired no more than 5 years; or
A tribal ID card issued by one of the following:
Confederated Tribe of Warm Springs Reservation of Oregon
Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians
Confederated Tribes of Umatilla Indian Reservation
Burns Paiute Reservation
Cow Creek Band of Umpqua Indians
Official Tribal Identification of the Klamath Tribes
Confederated Tribes of Grande Ronde Oregon
Confederated Tribes of Coos, Lower Umpqua, and Siuslaw Indians.

Hillgal - I'm not dense - a snarky smartass perhaps but not dense.

Speak - Like I said before go to any American Nazi party meeting or for that matter a KKK rally and state you are a Communist. I don't think they would take too kindly to you. Plenty of extreme right wing rhetoric is expressed at these gatherings. NatGeo did several inside report documentaries on these groups recently.

Be careful Speak - your McCarthyism is showing

I am really impressed ken,with your rabid pursuit to try to paint me as a liar about documentation. You copy/paste information about Oregon that may be true, however in my case such documentation you claim is not accepted WAS in fact accepted and I have a valid Oregon driver's license, own property here and have never obtained any other proof of birth than my original certificate issued at time of birth.
Also, as I stated, that same documentation was proof enough for NCIC,FBI and DOJ for security clearances in two separate employment situations.
Odd that you are intent on making this a personal issue. I guess you are trying to prove a point that is unprovable. Is it because of the Obama issue? If so, say so. As for my personal birth status, everyone except you is satisfied with the document I have presented.
Move on. This is getting tiresome and I am finished with this topic with you.