It's hard when you're a thinking, rational person, who knows that knee-jerk "let's send em' all back to frikkin' Mexico" reactions are just impractical and reek too much of internment camps and su****ious hatred. But I must confess, when I see the Mexican flags flying on Cinco de Mayo it pisses me off like everyone else. We tend not to care how many Chinatowns or ***antowns we have in our midst, but a little Tijuana is simply NOT acceptable. Why is that? Why does Xenophobia strike so voraciously at our hearts with respect to this debate? Mexican Americans serve on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan just like ***anese and Chinese soldiers once did -alongside fresh faced boys from Heartland America- on the beaches of Normandy and shores of Okinawa. Yet we questions their right to be here when the Red and Green is flying in the absence of the Stars and Stripes. I feel the same xenophobia, despite being -in my opinion- a rational person. That's why I ask.

This is not false, almost every mexican in America who has been incarcerated is thinking and planning ahead for this. Unless you knew the criminal side you would not have any idea.

To know the true alliances of the people all the US would have to do is declare war on mexico. Instantaneously most of the mexicans in the US would fight the US government whether or not they are illegal.

As we sit today a large number (over 100K) of illegals and illegal supporters would fight the US government if we decided to enforce our current immigration laws and start deportations. How can we have people in our country that don’t belong that would fight us if we decided to enforce our laws?

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“ I hear often this idea that California was once part of Mexican territory, and the Hispanic folks coming here are all part of some collective effort to take back this state. This is, of course, false, but sometimes gets said anyway in the heat of protest.”

Look here sharethepalnet,

I get my news from CNN, MSNBC and Fox so don’t be so quick to make stupid accusations. Do you know anyone who works in the county welfare Dept? I do and I can tell you first hand that although the illegal parents cannot collect free services their offspring (who all too often join gangs and ruin our tax paid for schools) are signed up for everything under the sun.

The difference between you and me is I can see the problems and the solutions. And no I did not just watch the news this is from my own personal experiences. My sister has two kids with and illegal who was deported several times for drug dealing charges. The kids are now getting their money from the loyal tax payers. My cousin was seeing an illegal in Santa Rosa not only was he unfaithful to her (which is no big deal considering her background) but this illegal sold 1 pound of meth to a undercover Santa Rosa cop. He made bail and went back to mexico I begged my cousin to rat him out when he was still in the country but she would not do it. He is now free in mexcio but if he comes back he will face at least 5 years for selling meth.

Are all mexican people bad? of course not, but you need to understand mexico is indeed a Third World country with more social problems than the US can fix. The people of mexico need to have a Revolution and replace their current government with one that is less corrupt. Education is the key until the mexican people educate themselves there will be no change.

You want to talk racism too? How about those mexican postage stamps the mexican gov mad depicting the blacks as monkeys? Did you ever see those? Here take a look,

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/international/america...es%20and%20Equipment

And what about the outcry from all the non racist mexicans in mexico? There was none. Whether or not you know this the mexicans and blacks hate each other 10 times more than the whites and blacks or whites and mexicans. This is evident in the racial gang shootings of innocent minorities in LA research it and you will find the truth. You see it’s not a big deal when a mexican or black gang in LA k ill s a innocent black or mexican teenager, but if a white gang killed a mexican or black innocent teenager it would be covered nationwide.

Racial cleansing in LA by mexicans
http://www.newsweek.com/id/61950



Furthermore your claim that I’m a xenophobe is completely false. One of my buddies is a legal and educated immigrant from Morocco, he too is outraged (although not as much as me) and sickened by the flood of illegals from mexico. I must admit it made me feel go the hear him talk the same way I do. He told me no other country in the world would put up with this.

Oh and NAFTA? You should do a Google search on North American Union, because in the NAU crime and corruption will be common place and even YOU will lose the majority of human rights you have now.



Sharethepalnet, you better wake up and take a good look around, see the problems, and look for viable solutions.

did anyone catch the mexican march a week or so back? all the cops showed up cause all the "peaceful protesters", who bring hard work and "culture" to our community, had a "verbal" gang fight! its breeding out there soco...and our sheriff better loosen up on the CCWs because of exactly this problem.

My Reply to Xenophobe Poster'ocliflex1234'
You Bad! Did you ever hear of 'NAFTA'-that's North American Free Trade Agreement?
They are here NOT here "only to get paid and use up all the free services as they need them". Your wrong about that-they have no jobs, no food, nothing in Mexico. You can thank the Mexican government and Clinton's NAFTA agreement for that. You think you have all the answers but you probably don't know whats really going on outside of what you see on FOX, Right?

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Originally posted by herself:
Good question. I think part of the answer is Mexico is too close, and tribes (i.e. peoples living in a given place) tend to feel a primal fear of nearby tribes threatening their territory.

True. I hear often this idea that California was once part of Mexican territory, and the Hispanic folks coming here are all part of some collective effort to take back this state. This is, of course, false, but sometimes gets said anyway in the heat of protest. Last year I recall reading just such a statement on Craigslist. This does alot of damage to tolerance in general when fear is fomented in this way. I like to think that one of the things that makes this country great is the -supposed- willingness of our society to be open and welcoming to people of all cultures. And I would feel much better to see that celebrated more from the Hispanic population of California, legal or illegal. Because I have to admit, grudgingly, when I hear such things, and see naught but the flag of Mexico flying, it angers me and makes me wish we could just expel such people from our midst. And that is precisely where xenophobia begins.

Good question. I think part of the answer is Mexico is too close, and tribes (i.e. peoples living in a given place) tend to feel a primal fear of nearby tribes threatening their territory. It goes beyond reasoning. Perhaps we feel guilty toward the ***anese because of WWII, and the Chinese because of our earlier exploitation of "Coolie" labor. The Vietnamese, Koreans, and other orientals are not experiencing the same tolerance from us.

When it comes down to the real deal of the issue most get caught up with the terminology to the point it is often forgotten we are debating about HUMANS. We are all of the same species and have the right to freedom regardless of any other societal convictions. Therefore the issue to be addressed is how our government can deal with law breaking humans, in a manner that is humane. This entails a need to define humane. Is it humane to separate parents from their US born children through a deportation process? Demand proof of legal status in the country on basis of racial profiling? Provide a TIN (Temporary Identification Number) for the purpose of tax filing when you are illegal and have no social security number, but must pay taxes? Please contemplate next time you take a nice drive down northern country wine valleys. You might notice a multitude of brown skinned laborers picking grapes, regardless of their legal status a US citizen hired them! You enjoy the wine! Regardless of a persons legal status in the United States they are human, we must treat them accordingly. You cannot easily blame a child for eating a candy that is placed in his hand, thus we cannot solely blame immigrants.

No, didn't go to school around here. What's the matter, laidoff, words too big for you? Sorry.

Nothing phony about my indignation, dumbass, it's all genuine. Where do you get off inserting your stupid views into a discussion designed to find a solution? Oh, was that too learned a question? Ooops, using big words again...

Oh, you got yourself arrested? I'm soooo impressed. "OOOh, laidoff is my hero cuz he's so big and stwong!" You're an idiot. That's simple enough for you, isn't it? Goooood.

Hey outspokenwarrior,

You think the term illegal is dehumanizing? Well pilgrim, do you know how the mexican government enforces their southern border with Guatemala? Lethal force is the order of the day down on mexicos southern border.

Did you know when an illegal from mexico k ill s an American citizen and runs back to mexico (which happens more often then you might think) the sentence for the crime is always guaranteed to not include the death penalty or the mexican government will not extradite the suspect. I want you to remember this the next time you read about an innocent American who life was cut short by these people.



Bin Laden, he will likely be killed right before the election, Sadly he is likely allowed to continue living.

3000 deaths, Sure it seems like allot, but for world power (if you don’t understand that the countries that control the worlds oil are also able to push their beliefs globally you have allot to learn) this is nothing. Prior to the war Russia had rights to some of the largest oil fields in Iraq, had we not secured that oil Russia and China too would have become oil Superpowers in the years to follow. I know that does not mean much to you, but unless you want to be treated like Chinese and Russian citizens you will see the big picture and know 3K American lives are worth the cost for living free and promoting Democracy globally.

No WMD? when Dow chemical was given the go ahead by the US gov to sell the precursor chemicals (FYI normally these chemicals are not sold on the open market for this very reason) for mustard gas and sarin (just to name a few) to Iraq in the 80s and Saddam gassed the Kurds resulting in 30K deaths our government did not care one bit. He did have the weapons we provided more than just the chemicals.

Six reasons why we should militarize the border and start mass deportations south via cargo trains.

# 1 more than 89 percent of all registered gang members in So Co are illegals or descendants of them, and if you think So Co is the only place where mexicans have a virtual monopoly on gangs you are dead wrong.

#2, Our system cannot support the irresponsible breeding of these people. It’s ok to have 4 kids of you make 150K per year and can support them, but the vast majority of these people make poverty wages and are a huge drain on our tax funded services.

#3 they do not learn English, sure most only have a fourth grade education but if they want us to accept them they better speak English before they come here.

#4 Their culture in mexico is very primitive regarding littering, environmental policies, animal abuses, domestic violence, DUI, accepted corruption and many other “culture differences” that add more problems to this country.

# 5 The amount of money they send home every year, 24 billion. This is a crime in itself how does this help America financially? And the more that come the more money is sent south.

#6 They do not care one bit about American culture, history or future. They are here only to get paid and use up all the free services as they need them. If tomorrow America went bankrupt and Canada was still well off they would flock to Canada like flees and not lose any sleep about the condition of America or the American citizens that have to deal with such problems. People like this are NOT Americans and do not belong in America period.

There are bad people and good people in every race, but I must say it seems like the worst is the hispanic race. It seems that all we see in the news anymore is Hispanic. They are like a fast growing Cancer. Unfortunately not even chemotherapy is working. We'll just have to hope that it eventually will.

laidoff, it IS "us" and "them" when discussing people here illegally vs. legal residents and/or citizens. They are illegal aliens. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact. They are in the paper every day for the crimes they commit here, and that is how they got our attention like they have. Had they quietly come and worked and sent American money back home like many do, and that was it, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But they fill our emergency rooms, drain our services, and commit crimes every day in Sonoma County. It's one thing for a legal resident to commit a crime. There is some responsibility involved in knowing who the person is. It's a whole 'nother thing to have anonymous, non-English speaking vandals and criminals in our midst who snuck in here and have no accountability whatsoever. That you Liberals support these criminals - that's what they are, every illegal alien is a CRIMINAL - says volumes about your codependency and lack of logic and common sense. You would throw my family under the bus in order to let someone come here and assault my wife anonymously. Pathetic, sir.

Nobody has mentioned why they are here. Somebody pays them, so they come. I wonder who that is? It is easier to pay some one who has no rights. Since you don't have to pay social security and stuff like that for them. More money for the employer.

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Originally posted by socochick2008:
Are we confusing the racist attitude vs the topic of illegal immigration. Some people a quick to assume that since people are Mexican they are automatically illegal. Not the case. I know HUNDREDS of LEGAL Mexicans who are hard-working, law abiding citizens. Too bad some people are so quick to judge.

Maybe some ignorant people clump all Mexicans together in one derogatory stereotype, but I think for the most part people are focusing on the immigrants who are here ILLEGALLY, and unfortunately we cannot afford to support them anymore.

We are all from somewhere else, and that's what makes this country great. Most of our ancestors came here with the intention of abiding by the laws of the land, and assimilated as soon as they were able. When others come here and disrespect the hard work and integrity of our former generations people get insulted and rightfully so.