- Illegal immigrants -

We have heard a lot about how the illegal immigrants feel. Well, Time to hear how us American citizens feel.

I’m an American………..an American citizen. America is my country. You might say, it’s my home. Without asking or knocking these people simply kicked in the door to my house. This hurts. They now live in my house acting like it’s theirs. Demanding that I accommodate them, conform to their ways and how dare I complain. That makes me angry. I would have NO problem if you simply asked and came into my home with respect………No, I don’t like that you’re here. I don’t like people who treat me and my home with such disrespect.

An American citizen

i guess you feel the same exact way that the native americans felt when all of the europeans came over and took what they wanted huh?
its funny.
the only ones that arent illegal here in north america are the natives.
so if you arent 100 percent native american,,, then i guess that you are the desendant of illegals.
the same type of illegals that you do not like.

I get so tired of the Well, if you are not a Native American... bilgewater. if you recall, many of the europeans BOUGHT the land from the natives. Sometimes being horswoggled and buying land from those who didn't own it.
And, since there was no central government, no laws against anyone coming onto the North American continent, they couldn't have been in country illegally, could they? Maybe you should look at what paragons the American Indians really were - look into how widows were treated, and their slaves, and the elderly, and POWs.

My dads people came from Ireland and England in the 1700s, became AMERICANS. Worked hard to fit in. My moms people came in from the Carpatho-rus area in the late 1800s, Ellis island and that whole trip. Learned English. Maybe not well, but got by. Became legal citizens. Heck of a lot harder back then than it is now. But somehow they managed - without free health care, without the schools having to teach in 60 different languages (only one, English).

Olympia protestors on may day

make sure you look at the pictures. tax dollars will be spent to clean up the graffitti and busted windows.

Being a LEGAL immigrant to this country myself, I take offense to ILLEGALS crying foul and expecting me to not only ignore the fact that they are here illegally, but GIVE them things for being illegally here? I noticed the sign held up in a picture accompanying the May Day story, something about "Stop complaining, we feed you". What's the point of that sign? I'm offended and I won't stop complaining. I'm supposed to be thankful for the abundant cheap labor illegals provide, I suppose is the point. Somehow I would not eat because no food would be provided? No crops picked. No fast food cooked? Well not so fast.

As long as there is unemployment this argument is ignorant. Growers need labor and without the illegals they would hire labor. They would be forced to pay a decent wage, legally, above board, with payroll taxes. The wages and overall labor cost would be higher so the prices of the food produced would be higher. How can I possibly afford the higher prices???

Well, I would no longer be paying for the illegals' medical care, educating their children, and subsidising their food budget with food stamps. I'll use the extra money to pay for the higher priced tomato.

I'm also seeing my government resources stretched in part by housing the convicted criminals. We are accomodating their lack of basic English skills by paying to print things in two (or more) languages.

I've known many illegals who worked two part time jobs, under different names, to make money. Only one of the jobs "counted" but both being part time they got no benefits, were under-taxed for the actual income made, and were still eligible for public aid because they were the sole breadwinner with a part time job for a family of 4. With another one on the way.

Not only that, but they took away part time job opportunities for countless teenagers and second income seeking families who could have used it. Those teenagers now have too much idle time and join gangs and wander the streets, sometimes committing petty crimes for fun.

Some good jobs are not available unless a person can speak Spanish.

Then they send part of that already under-taxed income to Mexico for the double whammy. Not enough taxes being paid by employer and employee AND not putting that extra money back into OUR economy.

Yeah, they feed me so I have no reason to complain, do I?

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desirousofu

I don't think there is any country in the world that hasn't been invaded at some point in history. That is not the issue here. The issue is whether we Americans will passively sit back and allow an invasion of America and the defeat of our quality of life? If we allow it, we are as weak as those who have lost to invaders in the past.

I have no problem with immigration. At one point and time our ancestors were immigrants. My grandfather came to this country through Ellis Island...the right(aka: legal way). If you want the benefits of living in our country then come here leagally. When you come here without medical insurance, money, ect...the citizens of America are left to foot your bill. The reason the medical world is is disrepair??? How many illegal immigrants seek medical care in our hospitals and then pay for the services they received? We citizens are left to make up that difference. Our welfare system is a mess because of children being born to illegal immigrants, who then claim that this child is a legal American citizen...why should I have to pay for that!!! Illegals need to be sent home. If they choose to come back and do things the right way then fine. Otherwise stay in your own country.

They are not immigrants. An immigrant is someone who legally migrates to a different region. My grandparents arrived LEGALLY. These intruders demand rights they do not have, they are criminals. They steal health care and anything they can get for free. Then they bite the hand that feeds them. If we illegaly migrated to Mexico or anywhere else we would be jailed and after a hefty fine - Deported!

The immigration rallies and marches on May 1st were an interesting exercise by the Hispanic community and supporters of those illegally entering our Country. Considering that my Grandparents came through Ellis Island early in the 20th century and went through the legal process to become Americans makes me proud.
I spoke with many friends who thought May 1st was Immigration Day. The truth - and incredulous fact is -that May 1st is Law Day- a day declared by President Eisenhower to celebrate the rule of law.
Eisenhower’s 1958 proclamation encouraged Americans to celebrate: “I urge the people of the United States to observe the designated day with appropriate ceremonies and activities……………”
I wonder what he would think about the “ceremonies and activities” of May 1st 2008.

I am not happy with them at all. They need to go home and rebuild their own country. They are hear and complain about everything. They pay no taxes, yet rape us for all the free things they think they are intitled to. Have them come in,one by one, legally...only after they have learned to speak English. No freebies, just hard work and pay their taxes. Just these requirements would keep them away forever.

I work in the trades and compeat directly for my job with illegals, they can buy an ss card and Id for 300 dollars, there isn't enough jobs in the trades right now for every one,
they max out there number of dependants on tax forms so they can take home as much as possible and don't file taxes any way, it upsets me that we make the same rate hourly but they take home more by cheating the system, I'm sick of the gang signs, trash, poor work, taco trucks, circus music, rasist jokes about how I'm going to be looking for work out in front of home depot, the piss bottles, theft, but most of all I'm sick of compeating with people who trash this city, this county, and this country,
Hears a suggestion to any one who is pro illegal immigrant spend some time with them working side by side, get to know them, get close to them, I have found that every one of them hates america, and i think you will to,

as you walk around to day look at all the gang signs garbage shopping carts ect and ask yourself is it really worth it, what do they really do that can't be done by someone who is here legally

they dont pay taxes they trash our country and they take advantage of our system

DEPORT THEM NOW

I agree with every post on this site. They need to go home. They invaded our country stole our I.D.refuse to speak english, fly our flag under theirs. These people hate us and don't think for a min. that is not true. I want people in this country who respect us and want to become part of this great country not tear it apart.

I don't think there is much point to this forum because it is obvious by now how the majority of us, the american people feel.
We do NOT want ill-legal immigrants here. Illegal immigrants are costing this country a lot without them giving anything in return.
We need to WAKE UP before it is too late. It is already too late for CALIFORNIA. California is already past the point of no return. In a very short period of time this state will be a LATINO MAJORITY. Latinos from Mexico, Guatamala and most other impoverished south american countries. These people have come here illegally. Some of them are criminals in their own country. Others just come with no resources, depending on americans to cloth, feed, educate, provide health care and basically provide for them everything.
WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE WANT THEM HERE?

Have you ever wondered why do people come here illegally? It's not because they want to be 'criminals', break rules or be disrespectful. Before judging illegal immigrants, educate yourself and learn how hard it is to immigrate here legally from Mexico: It's almost impossible! You could die waiting before the US government let you in legally. If there was no way in your country to support your family, regardless of how hard you work, wouldn't you do the same?

We certainly have a problem in this country, this state and this county. Consider this though: When we in Sonoma County think about agriculture, most of us think of wine. (something we don't really need) But to the rest of this state, Agriculture is FOOD! Who do you think farms that food? Some say that we (white people) should have those jobs. In principle, I agree, but that isn't practical and we can't rely on that as a solution. The reason is primarily due to low pay, laziness and the difficulty of the work versus the long term pay off. Plus this is a young person's vocation and most of "our" young can't tear themselves away from the video games long enough to get a job.

It may already be too late, but this county needs a plan and we better do it quick. Just telling them all to "go home" isn't practical. Even if it were actually possible to achieve this, California's economy would collapse in weeks. We can't afford to lose the low cost labor that we have. If you think we can, you are not paying attention.

I don't claim to have any answers, but I have some ideas. If we as a country somehow help Mexico to achive economic self sufficiency, a higher standard of living etc. (like we enjoy here) they would have little or no reason to come here. Or, perhaps all people wishing to work or live here would have to give a certain amount of service to our military first. This could include those already here. I don't know, but it's a consideration because it could help with two problems.

These people are not invaders as lots of people like to say or think. The vast majority of them are here to work and provide better lives for themselves and their families, etc etc etc. There are bad people who deserve to be in jail in every population. These folks are no exception, but they don't come here because they hate us or becasue they want to "steal our jobs, or country." That simply isn't reality.

Problems are solved when common people come up with REALISTC and PRACTICAL solutoins. We need to think ahead. We need to think in a non-hate based frame of mind and we need to think about solutions rather than just complaining all the time.

Start thinking about things from their perspective. Why do they leave home? What is it that we offer, that Mexico doesn't? Maybe we need to cancel some of the programs that make this place so attractive. Maybe we need to help Mexico get on its feet and take care of its own people. Maybe both. But the issue is not as simple as telling them to go home. It won't happen.

Lastly, start voting for people who A) have a back bone, B) think outside the box and have track records for problem solving, and C) who think in terms of what's best for everybody involved.

If you spend all your time complaining about everything and everybody, rather than approaching this from a realistic point of view, it's pointless to even discuss the matter.